Talk:Gotei 13

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About Kido Corps :

Officially, they are not a Gotei 13 part, as far as I know, but they're considered like by the Central 46&cie, so please, stop reverting. -- Mili-Cien 19:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I re-up this, because you seem to ignore it. Well, if you want, you can make a full article about Kido Corps. But actually, we're following that, but I'll put an advert about it...Mili-Cien^sys

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Contents 1 Isshin Kurosaki 2 Why so many shinigami in Gotei 13? 3 Rukia Kuchiki 4 What does this mean? 5 Kido corp 6 Division Speciality

Isshin Kurosaki

I tried including him in the table under an "unspecified" header, but it was removed rather quickly. We already know by his own words that Kurosaki was a captain, a fact made even more obvious by the fact that he carries a captain's haori over his shoulder [1]. Now, I'm not interested in beginning some sort of conflict by pushing him into the table, but as a former captain, he needs to be mentioned somewhere in the article. The Seaweed Ambassador 22:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There really is no issue over whether or not he is a captain. The issue is captain of what exactly. The page is pretty specific on the information given to put him on there would be fine if there was any mention of what he was captain of, but there isnt therefore he cant be placed in some unknown category, its best to wait and see if its mentioned then he can be placed there, There is not even any mention of his actual history in that regard everyone else mentioned we know what division and for past captains we know what their history related to the Gotei 13 was the same cant be said for isshin at this point. Salubri 23:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

While it is highly belived and hinted that he may have been a Captain,(even I belive it) there is no concrete proof of it. The only thing we know is that he is Captain-level, and has what appears to be a Haori. Shinji did not recognized him so he was a member of the Gotei 13 aftrer shinji left or posible an seated/unseated officer. The mattter of fact, is if there was no picture of him or a Haoiri over his shoulder then no one would even think to assumed that he was a Captain, so until he or someone else says "I am/hewas a Captain" then he does not get mentioned here. WhiteStrike 23:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Sigh, if you look at the bottom of his Haori you see a pattern on it that only occures on Captains Haori thus edvidence that at some point he was a Captain.Not to mention his talk about Captain class zanpukto hw captains have to keep them at a managable size.If he wasn't a captain then there was nopoint of him specificfying that word and could of just used the word shinigami instead.Saimaroimaru 23:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The key element is the haori, which is exclusively used by the division captains. We have already seen how different the outfit of the Kidō Corps Commander is. All of the Onmitsukidō wear a low-profile black uniform, even the high ranking ones, as seen in Soifon's flashbacks. We also know that even as the Commander-in-Chief, Yoruichi avoided using the haori while performing this office, only using the sleeve-less uniform. That only leaves the Royal Guard as the only squad that we have yet to see in uniform, but as you all know, that division is composed of former captains. The Seaweed Ambassador 23:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

So we established hes a captain? Good as for what division, honestly I think he was the Captain of 10th division before Hitsuguya.On the subject of Yoroichi, in the Pendilum flash back she is shown wearing her haori therefore its not a constant case with her.Saimaroimaru 23:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

That was during the captain's meeting, she has yet to be seen wearing it while working with the Onmitsukidō, which was my point, they don't sport any kind of haori. The Seaweed Ambassador 00:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

She was shown again waering it when she went to go mess with yung Byakuya and in a flash back when she is seen running with Kisuke before he became captain.Saimaroimaru 00:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but she was not working with the Onmitsukidō, she was in Soul Society representing the 2nd division post-captain's meeting not the Onmitsukidō, its noted in my previous comments. The Seaweed Ambassador 00:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

How is she representing 2nd division in the flash back with Kisuke. I think you think I am saying Captains constantly wea their Haori, no I am not just saying the Haori with those marking and the division crestrepresents the rank of Captain.Let just end this convosersation here.Saimaroimaru 00:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

We are straying away from the topic, the key element here is that none of the high ranking Onmitsukidō use any kind of haori while in office, not ever her, as a matter of fact she can't wear a haori and perform Shunkō without tearing it apart. The Seaweed Ambassador 00:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I al am just saying that all captains at some point wear the haori. Since it established that Kisshin was a captain at some point theres no point to continue.Saimaroimaru 00:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, why can't we add a section for captains with unspecified divisions? I can count at least six unknown captains in The Sealed Sword Frenzy, we don't need to add them to the table but at least some mention could be useful as this is supposed to be the most detailed Bleach database. The Seaweed Ambassador 03:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Because end order to be added you need at least the name of the captain or part of it.Unless you can give us a name, they stay unadded.Saimaroimaru 04:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

That seems rather ironic, considering that a guy named "Old Arrancar" has an entire article, not a section, for his one-panel-existing self. I'm merely suggesting that we make a passing reference to them in order to find a suitable place for Isshin. The Seaweed Ambassador 06:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Then Make a page for them, there no point putting,"6 unamed captains" in this section. Make a page about them, include a pic of them, then mention them with it hyperlinked to their page, that how we go about unamed characters.Saimaroimaru 06:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

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Why so many shinigami in Gotei 13?

Thre are so many shinigami in Gotei 13, because they are candidates for becoming captains. For example, 3rd Seat would be second closest to becoming captain and Lietutant would be closest. Sleuch Mizzur 14:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The Gotei 13 is a military organization s just like a real life military numbers is one of it's greatest strength. Also their position does not nesesarily mean that they are the closest to becoming captains as Renji was the 6th Seat before becoming lieutenant and Urahara was a 3rd seat prior to becoming a Captain.WhiteStrike 14:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Rukia Kuchiki

I just wanted to point out, and I have made the correction, that it doesn't say that she is strong enough to be a lieutenant/Vice-captain. Only thing Chappy says to Ichigo is that Rukia is strong enough to be a seated officer but Byakuya took her out of the officer candidature process. Not saying she isn't Vice-captain level but nothing in the manga or anime says she is. --Tinni 14:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

What does this mean?

"On a regular bases, the Captains are spread out with their divisions doing their duties all across the Soul Society."

The not portrayed like it originally was with current story arc, when ichigo originally entered soul society to save rukia the captains and lieutenants gathered to meet on the potential threat. It is basically shown that the captains rarely ever meet in an entire group except on certain occasions and are normally spread throughout soul society with their divisions doing whatever it is that their divisions do. Its rare for divisions to interact at all and it is not uncommon for it to take a full day for captains or their lieutenants to show up for meetings as they are so spread out.Salubri 05:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Then you should phrase that sentence better, make it easier to understand.

Kido corp

Why is the kido corp listed in the Division Specialty table with the Gotei 13 division? They aren't part of the Gotei 13. Tinni 13:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Actually just noticed that the Kido corp has a entry in all tables. What the? Did I miss something? Tinni 13:05, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

There is a message about it at the top of the talk page, dated November 2008, which was before my time here. Seems to have been an issue with it before. Judging from Mili-cien's comment, there was not a Kido Corp page at the time. Given that there is a page dedicated to it now, and that this page is explicitly for the Gotei13, I'd say that it would be fine to remove the listing of the Kido Corp. Also, good idea Tinni with the gate guardians. --Yyp 13:25, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Well it's done. I also modified the introduction to reflect the change. You might want to consider taking the message down from top of the talk page. Thanks! The gate guardians are always over looked. Tinni 13:47, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Division Speciality

I have just removed the following from the division speciality section. Aside from no source being given, I find many of them to be dubious at best. Some seem to contradict the stated purpose of the Onmisukido, and it paints a generally anti-establishment picture. Therefore, I want to be certain of its authenticity. If anyone has a source for this, then maybe it can go back in, but otherwise it stays off the page. --Yyp 11:13, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Division	Division Specality
1st	The 1st Division is the head of the Gotei 13, in charge of relaying the orders of Centeral 46, dealing with Soul Society law and monitoring all other divisions. The Captain of the 1st Division holds the rank of General Commander, the leader of Gotei 13 and outranking all other Captains. The 1st Division is the smallest of the 13 Divisions.
2nd	The 2nd Division is closely tied to the Onmitsukidō, with many members holding positions in both units. As a result, many members of the 2nd Division are skilled in the use of Hakuda, stealth and assassination.
3rd	The 3rd Division is responsible for information gathering and communication. They sort all outgoing and incoming information before sending it to the 12th Division for storage.
4th	The 4th Division is the medical/supply division. They are responsible for both treating the injured and doing most manual labor such as cleaning Seireitei. Because of this, they have keys to most of the buildings and know the underground sewer system well. According to various members of the 11th Division, 4th Division members are rather weak at combat instead using their power to heal. The 4th Division is further divided into teams that have specific assigned jobs.
5th	The 5th division are generally Kido experts and are often station with members of the 11th, 2nd and 4th Division to form an all-round military force. The Division is responsible for all seals and magic workings within Soul Society, as well as recording and storing and new Kidou. Their Captain is also Captain of the Kidou Corps.
6th	The 6th Division handles internal affairs of the Gotei 13. They monitor Shinigami activity and handle disturbances, including apprehending Shinigami who break the laws of Soul Society and detaining them until they are judged. As such their Division has the most holding cells.
7th	The 7th Division maintains peace between Seireitei and Rukongai. They prevent Shinigami from causing chaos in Seireitei, and act to keep Rukongai generally civil.
8th	The 8th Division are mass reinforcements who assist any other division who require assistance. They are generalists talented in Kido, offensive and defensive tactics. They are the third largest division.
9th	The 9th Division prevents information leaks and unwanted propaganda. They work closely with the 12th Division to protect it from outside influence, are in charge of memory-replacement required when Shinigami fight in the living world as well as the Seireitei news magazine. They also restrict information delivered to Rukongai to prevent any uproar or mass panic..
10th	The 10th Division is in charge of planning, co-ordinating, and executing large-scale missions. Everything is run through them first who then, if the mission is approved, plan the attack, gather and assemble the required Shinigami from each division assigning each their role, coordinate the Shinigami according to the mission before executing and maintaining the attack.
11th	The 11th Division is the melee combat Division with a specialization in swords-only combat, forgoing the other Shinigami arts. As such they often work in co-ordination with other divisions to make up for their lack of combative diversity. Of the thirteen Divisions, the 11th is the largest as well as the Division with the highest mortality rate. It is mentioned that tradition states the current Kenpachi, the title held by the best swordsman in Soul Society, is to hold the position of 11th Division Captain.
12th	The 12th Division's is committed to researching and developing new technology to aid Shinigami in their missions (such as the Mod Soul).
13th	The 13th Division is assigned the protection of Seireitei. They patrol daily and if a threat occurs, they will find and resolve it. The are the second largest Division of the Gotei 13, second only to the 11th Division.

Ok, it seems the source has been identified, and it is a fan-made rpg website (No, I won't give the link to it - we don't do advertising). Even if what the site says is based on something official, it is still posted on a fan-made rpg site, so it has no standing as far as I'm concerned without said official source. And since I highly doubt that there is such a source, this is not to be put into the article. --Yyp 11:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, I don't want to see anyone adding what the division's specialities are based on anything other than it being explicitely stated in the story, databooks or KT's interviews. I have previously removed things like "many of its members appear to be skilled in Kidō." from the 5th Div section. This is nonsense - when have we ever seen what the general membership of the 5th squad can do? The top two or three members of a division being good at Kido does not make it the entire division's speciality. --Yyp 11:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)