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This thread is for the discussion of Shunsui Kyōraku and anything directly relating to him. Feel free to add new topics here. Any new topics about him will likely be merged with this one.--Yyp 17:29, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Shunsui Kyōraku colorfull coat
Does anyone think the reason Shunsui Kyōraku where's that brightly colorful coat is because of his sword ability. With a coat like that, there isn't a person in the world he couldn't cut using that game. Course doesn't make sense he took it off before the game, maybe it was the other way around, Starrk is so strong and smart that he would learn the rules and call out those colors and use them against him
- It could be that he not only likes the coat he also wears it for that purpose. If that's the case then it makes sense for him to ditch it right before fighting Starrk for real as Starrk was wearing no pink at all. Therefore with both white and black as his most powerful attacks he can counter Starrk, although admittedly it was risky for him that Starrk figured out the rules so quickly. It also makes me wonder why he started off with grey as he wasn't wearing it and so his powerful blow only nicked Starrk. BollyW 03:51, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
Most likely he was hoping to confuse starrk and maybe that would give him the opening he needs, but Starrk is far to smart to fall for it and catches him off guard. Also not totally related, but does that mean in the new anime we'll get to see her ability used now that it's been revealed.
About the coat, he didn't need it for the fight with Starrk, so of course he dropped it. The only colors that mattered in the Starrk fight were grey/white/and black, every other color on Shunsui's coat wasn't even present on Starrk at all. And yes, the coat is probably meant for fighting everything that he could possibly go against. As you saw for the final blow against Starrk, Shunsui removed the White captain's coat so that he could swing with full power in his "black" attack, dealing a fatal blow. "wonder why he started off with grey" - because he wanted to play with Starrk. It seems that Shunsui, even though serious in the fight, doesn't want to kill his opponent right off the bat, but wants to at least allow his opponent to get the grasp of 'the game'. As his personality continues to show, Shunsui loves to hang back, chill out, and "play" as often as possible, probably hence the fun shikai powers. Regardless of how much he loves to play around, he also wants to be serious, so this conflicts in his fighting all the time. Shown in the fight against Chad in the Soul Society Arc, he starts with very entertaining chatter, and just playing with Chad for a while, until he finally decided to finish the fight with one fatal blow. His serious/fun side shows off again when running from the Captain Commander right after they stopped the execution, he "playfully runs away" with having a serious reason behind it all. He is a fun contradiction between entertainment and deadly circumstances. and it was the best fight to pit Shunsui up against -Starrk- because like everyone has said, both Starrk and Shunsui are very docile in nature, and tend to have more laid back attitudes, which is where most of their fight came from, sadly Starrk was more laid back for a while, until he got very serious considering the power of his opponent (Shunsui).
Ok, so maybe i'm taking this a step to far, but if we are right about the coat and how it plays up his sword power, i think he might be the first person to change himself to better aid his sword in battle. Everyone else kind of just uses their swords as tools that they honor and what not, but i think he's the only one who changes something about himself to be increase his sword use and even play the "game" the sword likes. Maybe this is why he's one of the strongest captains, because he's got a connection with his sword that no one else has. just a theory Kulash05 16:46, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
That is actually a pretty good assumption. As stated a zanpaktou is a manifestation of a Soul Reaper's soul. If one assumes that he wears the jacket not only for his own personal preference but also because it aids him in his battles, then you can assume that he is probably one of the few Captains/shinigami who actually mirrors his soul on the outside as much as his "inside" soul, therefore being the Captain/Shinigami closest in communication and practice to his own weapon/skills. Which would explain how strong he really is. I don't think he honestly "changed himself to better his aid" but more that his inner soul is in direct correlation to his outside appearance. Meaning he is just more in touch with his inner self then anyone else, therefore being closer to his Zanpaktou then most (i would assume). And like i said, this would mirror itself in his power (which is unbelievable) and his skill in not only his own sword, but other fighting techniques, and is probably one of the (if not THE) strongest Captains/characters in Bleach. and like i said numerous times, i can't wait to see his full power. Bk1217 03:08, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, and the captain that they say is strong then him is the 4th captain, who's power seem to have healing powers, while she herself is a healer so maybe it's the same as the 8th captain showing similar properties to their swords and being really powerful Kulash05 03:34, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
It's a shame, I liked to think that the coat was a memento from a lost love, it looks like a female kimonoDaigo623 20:39, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Lazy spinning top, Mountain demon
I know this' been discussed before, and I can't pretend to know the least bit about translations, I looked at a discussion about these techniques and one of the guys said that he found the translation to Takaoni broken down means Hawk or falcon and oni being ogre or demon now bear with me I know that everyone already knows this and the fact that they only have an effect when used in unison, Busho Koma to prevent the target from moving out of the way but not moving inside it, Takaoni hence the name is used from above now I assume most of you saw that Shinsui was holding them crossed over one another, this doesn't tell us what it can do but I hope it helped.--SalmanH 19:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Shunsui stronger than Aizen?
This is just a thought i had, but does anyone think that Shunsui is stronger than Aizen? Given the abilities of his sword, and his natural prowess, shouldnt he be able to defeat Aizen? In my opinion, if kyoraku's sword forces everyone within its spiritual presure to play by its rules, the aizen would be forced to do so..... maybe thats why he is keeping his distance from shunsui...... Any thoughts? ~ Captain of squad 0~
Even though the concept makes sense I seriously doubt that will even be a factor in the story. From how the story is being made out apparently the idea is to make Aizen so unbelievably overpowered that it doesn't matter if all the Captains of the Gotei 13 attack him at once it wont make a difference. Even the awesome and near impossible to beat power of Shinji's shikai was cast aside as if it was nothing. He can easily evade Hitsugaya's bankai techniques and effortlessly cut down Komamura's bankai. So its safe to say under normal circumstances for any other opponent yes his shikai power would be devestating. In this particular instance it probably wouldn't do anything.Salubri (Talk) 00:23, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yes Aizen won't have trouble with his shikai ability since he's too smart.But in some way sunsui has more experience of battle than aizen i think. —This unsigned comment is by Shaggi (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
That is a a debatable topic. Though they make Aizen out to be just out of this world neither of them have felt threatened from each other. So far. Shunsui is still attacking Aizen and Aizen is still has yet to attack him back. Both with same care free expressions they always have. Its hard to tell who is stronger at this point. What I question is if Aizen Zanpakutou ability will effect the games of Shunsui Zanpakutuo. I think they will be a good one on one matchup Tealang99 14:28, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so Shunsui just landed a major shot on Aizen, and I couldnt be happier!!!!! It seems like Shunsui's shikai might be able to beat Aizen.... that is, if its real or not. --Captain of squad 0--
Indirectly it seems that this maybe possible. his kagonei technique worked against him, though indirectly he wasn't expecting it. We have yet to see what the effect would be in direct combat like what he engaged starrk in. Salubri (Talk) 18:28, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
Damn Salubri, why you gotta shoot down my hopes and dreams?!?!?!?!? Personaly, i dont think that Aizen is capable of strategizing around all the captain's abilities. Maybe thats why he tried to take out as many as he possibly could before they ganged up on him. I just dont think Aizen can wrap his head around all the different rules that Katen Kyokotsu has in its different games. maybe thats why he got taken by surprise? --Captain of squad 0--
Yea I had to go back and re read the stark shunsui fight, because when I read it the first time, I thought him using the shadow to peirce Stark was to "Begin" the color game. But I think you're right it would be very difficult to "think" of all the different rules at the same time your fighting 3 other captain's (including hirako in that). one on one I think Aizen would be able to "handle" shunsui's shikai, prolly even better then stark did, but i dont think against all the captains he will. Shillagan 04:38, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
i think aizen didn't know the other captains zanpakuto abilities. tha's why he has the espada to fight them, so that he can then strategize how to defeat them. WinterFox 03:31, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't sure where I would be able to post this, so I apologize if this topic was brought up already. I was thinking, since we've been seeing Shunsui fight more now, and using his shikai's abilities, that maybe his Bankai would be revealed soon. What are your thoughts on what it could be? Or what it could look like? Here is my opinion: Since we know that his Shikai involves playing games, where both the user and the opponent are subject to the same rules. ( Which I think is awesome, btw, since it shows incredible skill on Shunsui's part since he puts himself in danger everytime he uses it ) His Bankai could be an amplified version of that, when triggered causes both players to be taken into a fictional game world. Almost like how Tosen's Bankai creates an area where its devoid of all sight and sound. Shunsui could create an area where anything trapped inside is in a life or death situation. You win, you live. You lose, you die. But the difference is that there is no escape. Once you're pulled into the game world, you can't leave until someone wins or loses. Sort of the ultimate risk for Shunsui, since both players are trapped until the game is over. There could even be a rule for the Bankai to be that Bankai will not end until a winner is determined. And then I started thinking about what Jushiro said about Shunsui's Bankai being something that others should not see. Maybe, that's the trigger to be pulled in. Though I don't know how likely that is, since we've already seen 2 shikais that take effect from a sense being manipulated when released ( Visually see Aizen's release, smell Shinji's release ) Could be Shunsui's Bankai takes effect when someone who is targetted sees the release. Again this is just my opinion.
I have been actually thinking about this a lot myself. So I went back and reread the manga where Jushiro commented about Shunsui's Bankai. If you go back and read the new translations Jushiro says that he souldnt use his Bankai with so many people around http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/363/03/. So I would agree with the above statement that his Bankai's ability is to create a huge area where one is in life or death situations, and by Jushiro's comment about him not using Bankai with so many people around is because he know what will happen and he doesnt want anyone to die. Unus7484 00:40, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
I agree fully with the above statement. I think this shows how smart and powerfull Shunsui really is beacuse he has a sword that does whatever it wants and sets up any situation and he has to fight in these weird situations. However I think his bankai would be even more dangerous because bankais take an a huge amount of energy to perform and maintain so it would be draining him and if the game wasnt finished in a set amount of time the bankai would end and everyone in the game world would die. Would there have to be only one survivor for the game to end? This would explain Ukitake saying that so many people shouldnt see it because this would make it incredibly hard for the game to end and have a large amount of casualties. If Shunsui dies does the game world disapear? Or does it stay until theres a "winner"?Coyotestark (talk) 02:36, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
Shunsui himself said that if u win u live.. if u lose u die.. regarding his zanpakutous abilities... so if Shunsui dies.. the game ends and his opponent is the winner.. simple as that . Kishen1912 (talk) 06:30, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
No wat if theres more than one person hes fighting and he has an ally so its more 3v3 than wat happens in the event of his death would his bankai disapear or would his whole team need to die for the game to endCoyotestark (talk) 02:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking and I remembered when Shunsui wanted to use his Bankai but Ukitake stopped him because there were too many people around. Could that mean that, by activating Bankai, the area of influence for Katen Kyokotsu's reiatsu, and thus its games, could expand enough to affect everyone else's battles? Lia Schiffer 19:39, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why that couldn't be a complication of Shunsui's bankai. So why not? Great Cthulhu 19:50, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
Well, he said, specifically, not to do it "where others can see." Which makes me think it's for a different reason, since if you're far enough away to not be affected by his reiatsu, what would it matter if you could see? It's such a specific reason that I think it's probably unrelated to what we're seeing with his Shikai. After all, a portion of the Bankais aren't merely powered-up versions of their Shikai's abilities (an example that immediately comes to mind is the difference between Soifon's Bankai and Shikai), so there's no reason to assume that Shunsui's Bankai is merely a powered-up version of his Shikai. Twocents 19:54, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
Although, Bankai's aren't merely powered-up versions of their respective Shikai abilities, there is usually some logically progression between the two forms. So, even though I rather doubt Shunsui's Bankai simply increases the affected area, it will most likely include some reference to the "game-based" techniques of his Shikai. That being said it's possible the reason to not preform it "where others can see", could simply be because they regard it as their "secret weapon" and so didn't want to reveal it in the case Aizen still hand something prepared for after the Espadas defeat. Blackstar1 20:10, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
I think he didn't do it where others can see because then everyone will see the rules of his game and easily formulate a counter game plan to beat Shunsui at his own game. If everyone were to see it, they would know all the rules, making it much harder to defeat them, although Shunsu might have more than one game to play because he said he has the ability to turn childrens stories into reality. I'm just sad that if you lose, you die, since I just wish Starrk would retreat. Asesiel
I think that Ukitake's warning of "where others can see" has to do with another type of game, the Blindman's Bluff. It's a childrens game that's basically a blindfolded version of tag. That's not the only variation, but the most well-known. When I read the wikipedia page about it (Yes, I research on wikipedia, it's not as inaccurate as a lot of people think), I saw that most of the other versions of the game can be applied to the fight going on in some way.
But hell, I could be wrong. That's what makes the fight so damn exciting! Nekura Wabizumai 8:47 PM, September 17, 2009
Well Shunsui wasn't particularly keen to use his bankai. Starrk was just pushing him to and it was very unlikely that Shunsui was going to go bankai till the possibilities of his Shikai were exhausted. But I do believe the "other's could see" bit has more to do with the rules of the game. If he played it with Starrk and others saw it. They could think up strategies for the game and given Shunsui a hard time afterwards. Because remember, he can die from those games too! Tinni 05:31, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
I think you guys forgot to take one more thing into account, Shunsui doesn't control his zanpaktou entire she controls him, even though he loves his sword he hates being jerked around like that so no doubt bankai would make it far worse as well as more powerful, his powers go far beyond most in their bankai states as well and as much as he would hate to kill starrk I don't think he has much of a choice due to his zanpakuto's game and the fact that it is war and unlike Icigo's ryoka invasion this time they can't take prisoners.--SalmanH 05:43, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
I do beleive the fact that he does not control the game that his zanpakuto chooses to play will play a mojor role in his bankia. I cannot wait to see what it really is or what it does. Just at looking at his shikia ability I think he has one the most creative zanpakuto when it comes to abilities. Tealang99
umm i thought of something and it makes me wonder Its Shikai command is "Flower Wind Rage and Flower God Roar, Heavenly Wind Rage and Heavenly Demon Sneer" all of the games we have been showed are dealing with the demon part so maybe theres more to the flower god thingKensei24 22:37, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
HOw long has he been a captain. On his page it says his been a captain for over 100 years but if he was the first to graduate form the academy with ukitake and become captains shouldnt that be like around 2100. the reason i say that number is because in yamamoto's page it said that he founded the academy and they were the first.Scott swag (talk) 16:18, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
He and Ukitake were the first to graduate the Shingami Acedemy, but it didn't say he was immediately promoted to captain when he graduated, so that just means he's been a shinigami for all those years. It's not been revealed when he became captain, but he was shown as a captain in the TBtP mini-arc. CJett92 (talk) 21:53, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
In either the anime or manga throwback where Aizen is hollowfying everybody, either he or Capt. Ukitake says that only Yamamoto, Unohana, and the two of them have been captains for over 100 years, so that means that Kyōraku has been a captain for at least 200 currently. -- 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk 04:01, June 24, 2011 (UTC)