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Vinak963 01:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Take note of the holein his chest...the vizards dont hav it....

only as far as we know, if it is a secondary vizard release, it would bring them closer to hollows due to the full extent of shinigami and hollow powers being released in perfect sinc. It wouldnt be all that supriseing if such a merger resulted in a hollow hole forming.--CloudHiro 19:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This is how I see it: The Form is a Hybrid between his inner Hollow and Vizard, because he can use sonido, only any type of hollow can use sonido.(He also has the hole in his chest too.) And he has a zanpaktou with a hollow mask and hollow like spiritual pressure so that makes him a vizard. and plus it can also be seen as an evolved form of his previous transformation into and attaining more hollow traits because unlike the other Vizard, Ichigo has never fired a cero or it hasn't been implied.Heruga59 00:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I thiink this form is an incomplete form, its like the form he took when he was training to gain superiority over his inner hollow but this form was alittle human looking than the other one that was more animalistic and hollow like. I think the hole in his chest kind of shows he was borderlining, everytime its a mindless transformation and no one is in the driving seat the hollow hole is there well so far its that way. After the attack instead of being a wound it became a hollow hole. The whole transformation could have been the 4ths fault, the last time his energy signature was making it near impossible for orhime to heal. maybe the merging of the the segunda etapa energy and the nature of ichigo's vizard powers caused some sort of reaction, on top of that ichigo's fighting instincts could have played a part in resurrecting him (Orhime's screaming). (Sorry thinking into the keyboard.) I think he could use cero and sonido with the normal mask if he had time, to discover the other secrets of the mask but then again ichigo isn't very techinique bbased, somone may have to teach him how to. who knows. This is most prob the next stage, maybe the reason shinji cut his hair???? Anakin69 20:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe Ichigo has, in fact, fired a Cero. I'm not sure if it's in the manga, but in the anime at about Episode 122 or 123, when Ichigo is training to take control of his inner hollow he fires a Cero at Love. As far as I know, that wasn't filler so it can be classed as canon. Not really overly important, but I thought I'd at least confirm that to try and make a contribution.Ultimt evil 01:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)