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To fill everybody in. I floated the idea of showing Ichigo's mask evolution over time. Made a table but now the question is where to put the table. Do we added to Ichigo's page or do me make a new page for it. Ichigo is the main character and thus can have multiple pages about him. I decided to move the discussion here because we do need to talk about it more and Ichigo's talk page is getting kind of crowded. Feel free to suggest improvements and modifications to the table. I put it together in 10 or so minutes, just taking pictures as they occurred to my memory. So the table is far from perfect. Tinni 03:55, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

The Table

Ichigo's Mask Evolution
MaskInitial Hollowmask HollowManifestation FullHollow
Initial Mask Mask Shield First Hollow manifestation Full Hollowfication
11sMask Snapshot20091030205200 GrimmjowFight HornedMask
11s Mask Ulquoirra 1st fight Grimmjow Final Fight Horned Mask
YammyMask
Horned Mask color Yammy Fight Mask

Comments from Ichigo Talk page

Should we make a new section titled "mask evolution" and have pictures of Ichigo's masks over time? Starting with the one he came out wearing when he left the shattered shaft to the the one that was shown in recent chapters? Tinni 13:54, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Not a Bad idea, it is referenced in the most recent manga as well Desruprot 03:10, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea, since there is such a long time between the changes sometimes and people might not catch the fact that it has had an evolving look. I think I would just be conscious about making sure the section isn't just a lot of fluff or a waste of space, which of course, I'm sure you'll keep in mind, Tinni. Twocents 03:16, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add this table below to the article yet. It's just something I am developing to test how to best to present Ichigo's mask evolution. Comments, suggestions and modification on the table are welcomed BUT please leave it here in the talk page for now. Thank you. Tinni 12:28, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

ok the mask evolution table is now done. Please leave your comments, suggestions for improvement and other things now. Also, feel free to change pictures if you have a better one. Thanks. Tinni 01:37, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... adding the table to the page... I'm wondering if this is a good idea or not, considering how big Ichigo's page is. The table looks good, but off-center, which you can likely fix once it's actually up. Since it concerns both Ichigo's mask and his Hollow's mask (I know they're the same person), I'm guessing maybe we should probably create a new page for his masks? I guess it depends on what some of the other admins, besides myself, thinks. Arrancar109 01:56, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Also, yes, if the idea flies, we can link in on both Ichigo and his Hollow's page. Arrancar109 01:59, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Question: what's the difference between the Grimmjow Final Fight Mask and Ulquiorra Starting Fight Mask? They seem to have the same number of streaks in the same places. Unless I'm just missing something obvious, which is entirely possible. Twocents 03:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell if the marks are different, I think the lines are more joined. I just picked stages where I thought his mask would have changed. The table is not finally and we can drop it now and then add it later if the anime provides additional information. E.g. his mask marking are getting darker and in the anime during that scene his marking might become black per the horned and beyond mask or the anime might clearly show difference in marking. The table is just draft one and one idea I thought of on how to present his mask evolution without taking up too much space. Tinni 08:53, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

just a though - but is it just me or are the masks becoming more rounder then each before Fawcettp
I think you might have something there. Tinni 03:49, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

More comments

I believe that Grimmjow's final fight and the Ulquiorra Fight start mask are the same, just one is black and white and the other is colored. every other mask looks to be an evolutionary process of his hollow mask. Nicely done =).Bk1217 04:06, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

I think you are right, or at least in the black and white picture there is no way to tell any difference. I.e. if the markings might be blacker but no way to tell. I have removed it. Tinni 04:38, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

i am not too sure on that, but as i recall at the start of the final fight with Grimmjow, his mask is still the "11s Mask" (who name that that?) but i was after Grimmjow broke a little bit of the left side of the mask, he only reform that left side, and after that it stayed as the so call "Grimmjow Final Fight mask" can someone cheak if i am right or not? thanks --Ace 10:36, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

No Grimmjow broke the mask after I took the screen shot. Basically, the screen shot was when he saved Orihime and then noticed how scared she was. Which sent his powers plummeting and allowed Gimmjow to break the mask. But before that happened Grimmjow had already made the comment about how Ichigo seems to be able to keep the mask on longer. In fact, Grimmy made the comment shortly after firing the grand ray cero and noticing that Ichigo had kept the mask more then 11s. In fact, I went back and double checked episode 165 (if someone wants to cross check me) and from the moment Ichigo put on his make, he had the new one. However, that is not to say that it didn't change before. I.e. it might have changed during the Ulquoirra fight. I went straight to the Grimmjow fight because I remembered Grimmjow explicitly mentioning how Ichigo seems to be able to keep the mask on longer while against Ulquoirra it hadn't lasted all that long. Tinni 10:46, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well I just checked out episode 162 and it does appear that Ichigo's mask had changed during his first fight against Ulquoirra. But it is not the same one as the Grimmjow fight. Grimmjow fight mask has three lines while Ulquoirra fight only has one but is clearly a transition mask between his 11s mask and Grimmjow fight mask. Tinni 10:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

~~In my opinion, Ichigo can maintain his Mask longer in the battle with Grimmjowbecause it has to do something with the hole Ulquiorra have done to him in their battle in episode 162? Because Inoue said that she can't Reject it and probably Ulquiorra's Reiatsu did something to Ichigo's ability in controlling the mask and now he can use it for a longer period of time.. am I possibly might be right? —This unsigned comment is by WoloBoy (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Orihime did eventually reject it. She was having difficulty doing it but eventually she succeeded. It's just an off-hand comment she made. If she hadn't been able to reject it, Ichigo would still have the hole and would still be comatose. I wouldn't read too much into it. Tinni 10:14, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

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